Master the Primal Art of Business Storytelling

The Business of Story Podcast With Park Howell

Transform Your Business Through Proven Narrative Mastery

Every marketing director, business owner, and sales professional understands that the right story can transform how customers respond to their message.

If you master the vital storytelling structures that have driven human engagement for millennia, then you’ll make a deep connection with your audience that moves them to take action.

But you may be frustrated because conventional brand storytelling advice offers generic tips and surface-level techniques instead of the primal storytelling principles that actually create lasting impact.

That’s exactly where The Business of Story podcast transforms your approach to business communication.

Through Park Howell’s proprietary guidance, you gain access to primal storytelling amplified with cutting-edge technology, enabling you to excel through the stories you tell while accelerating your Return on Intelligence through remarkable storytelling mastery.

Your Guide to Storytelling Excellence

Park Howell brings 40+ years in branding and over two decades of proven expertise in marketing storytelling, combining primal narrative wisdom with modern precision.

As the creator of the revolutionary Story Cycle System™, which has grown brands by 600 percent, propagator of the ABT (And, But, Therefore) narrative framework, and co-creator of the StoryCycle Genie™, Park has pioneered “Vibe Branding”.

Vibe Branding combines emotional intelligence with artificial intelligence, guided by proven storytelling structures, to accelerate ROI: Your Return on Intelligence.

His sacred mission: help you excel through the stories you tell, delivering measurable results through systematic application of primal storytelling principles.


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Michael Walsh, founder of Walsh Business Growth Institute, discussing people-first business growth strategies and the Survive Thrive Connect Adapt framework on the Business of Story podcast with host Park Howell

How to Accomplish More Business Growth By Doing Less

You want to make 2026 your breakthrough year for scaling your company, and you know that real success requires getting smarter, not just grinding harder.

But you’re exhausted because you’re running on the hustle culture treadmill at a relentless pace, which is actually sabotaging the growth and freedom you’re chasing.

That’s exactly where Michael Walsh’s discovery changes everything. After 30+ years helping $2M-$20M companies scale, he’s proven that working less—not more—creates both revenue growth and personal freedom through a people-first approach that treats your business like an intelligent ecosystem instead of a machine.

Meet Michael Walsh: The Business Growth Consultant Who Proved Working Less Generates More

Michael Walsh is founder of Walsh Business Growth Institute and author of Freedom by Design: The Established Business Owner’s Guide to Grow, Make an Impact, and Find the Joy Again.

Freedom by Design: Small Changes, Breakthrough Results book cover by Michael G. Walsh - The Established Business Owner's Guide to Grow, Make an Impact, and Find Joy Again, featured on Business of Story podcast With over 30 years helping established businesses scale from $2 million to $20 million, Michael has developed a people-first philosophy that challenges everything conventional business wisdom teaches about growth.

Prior to founding his consultancy, Michael spent years trapped in the same hustle culture he now helps clients escape. Three years without a vacation. Grinding relentlessly. Believing that growth required personal sacrifice. Then his wife forced him to take time off, and he made a discovery that changed everything: the week he took off generated $10,000 in new revenue.

Today, he’s renowned for myth-busting methodologies that liberate business owners from operational dependency. His book is available at WalshBusinessGrowth.com in print, PDF, or MP4 audio format—free to Business of Story listeners.

What’s in it for You:

Why the systems that worked at $1M revenue completely fail at $5M and $10M, and how Michael’s relationship complexity math (100 people = 4,950 relationships) explains why “systematize everything” advice actually sabotages service business growth

The $10,000 vacation discovery that proved taking the last week of every month off increased income instead of decreasing it, revealing why hustle culture is the biggest impediment to scaling established businesses

The Survive, Thrive, Connect, Adapt framework for understanding human behavior structures that support people to be at their best, transforming your team from a perceived threat into your greatest competitive advantage

Why your people are your #1 brand story customer, not your external customers, and how training influencers (even the janitor or cafeteria worker) instead of just leaders creates authentic brand ambassadors who actually believe your message

The social contract between employers and employees that reveals professional growth takes pressure off demanding top dollar, and how two-minute weekly conversations replace twice-yearly performance theater

How AI is eliminating junior-level jobs and creating an expertise development crisis, plus why the shift from Information Age to Age of Creativity requires businesses to become intelligent ecosystems instead of well-oiled machines

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Alberto Savoia, Google's former Innovation Agitator and author of The Right It, discusses pretotyping methodology on the Business of Story podcast with host Park Howell

Google’s Former Innovation Agitator Shares the Pretotyping Method That Separates Ideas Destined to Succeed From the 80% Destined to Fail

Alberto Savoia had just turned a $3 million investment into a $100 million exit.

Eighteen months. Load testing technology for websites during the internet boom. Sequoia Capital backing. World-class team.

He thought he was the Italian Steve Jobs. Stefano Jobini.

So he raised $25 million for his next startup. Spent five years building exactly what customers said they wanted. The product worked perfectly. Everyone who saw it said, “Alberto, this is amazing. We will buy it.”

Very few people bought it.

The company sold for pennies on the dollar.

Same guy. Same caliber team. Same quality execution. Opposite outcome.

That failure led Alberto to Google, where he became their Innovation Agitator and developed something that might save you from the same fate: pretotyping.

Meet Alberto Savoia: From Google AdWords to Innovation Agitator

As Google’s first Director of Engineering, Alberto Savoia led the team that launched Google AdWords—the platform that now generates over $300 billion annually. Later, in his role as Google’s Innovation Agitator, he developed pretotyping—a rigorous data-based system for validating new product ideas.

he Right It book cover by Alberto Savoia - Why So Many Ideas Fail and How to Make Sure Yours Succeed, published by HarperCollins

Prior to Google, Alberto was a successful serial entrepreneur and the first Director of Software Technology Research at Sun Microsystems Laboratories, where he played a key role in the development of Java technology and tools. His work has garnered The Wall Street Journal Technical Innovation Award, InfoWorld’s Top 25 CTOs Award, and InfoWorld’s Technology of the Year Award.

Today, he’s highly sought-after as a speaker, teacher, and coach, renowned for helping organizations unlock their full potential for innovation and growth. His latest book is The Right It—Why So Many Ideas Fail and How to Make Sure Yours Succeed, published by HarperCollins.

What’s in it for You:

Why 80% of new ideas fail in the market even with perfect execution by world-class teams, and how Alberto’s $100 million success followed by complete failure led to the pretotyping method that helps you avoid the same fate

The XYZ hypothesis formula that transforms fuzzy business ideas into testable assertions you can validate in days instead of years, giving you a one-line mini business plan that goes directly from concept to revenue projection

Why focus groups, surveys, and expert opinions have zero skin in the game and how the Skin in the Game Caliper reveals which validation methods actually predict market success versus those that waste your time and money

The YODA framework that teaches you to collect Your Own Data instead of relying on Other People’s Data, because just because 5 million people buy birdwatching equipment doesn’t mean they’ll buy your birdwatching app

How hyperzooming lets you use local experiments to validate global assertions, minimizing time to data, dollars to data, and distance to data so you can break the ice with the market as quickly and cheaply as possible

Why contact with the market is the number one thing entrepreneurs fear but the number one thing they must do, and how Jeff Hawkins used a block of wood and one week to validate the Palm Pilot before spending two years building it

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Damon Lembi, CEO of Learnit, discussing how to use storytelling in corporate training to improve learning retention and implementation on the Business of Story podcast with host Park Howell

After Upskilling Two million People over 30 Years, Learnit’s CEO Shares the Relatable-Memorable-Emotional Formula That Makes Corporate Learning Actually Stick

You’ve invested in corporate training programs because you want your team to develop new skills and grow their capabilities. And you need those learned skills to actually translate into changed behavior and improved performance—not just forgotten PowerPoint slides.

But you’re frustrated because most training sessions are information dumps that people sit through politely and then never implement, leaving you wondering why your L&D budget produces so little measurable ROI.

What if the solution isn’t better content, but better storytelling?

Meet the CEO Who Turned Receptionist Into a 30-Year Learning Revolution

Damon Lembi, CEO of Learnit corporate training platform and host of The Learn-It-All Podcast, expert in story-based learning and workforce developmentDamon Lembi didn’t plan to become a learning industry pioneer. After hitting a home run in the 1994 College World Series for Arizona State, he expected to be drafted into Major League Baseball. When that didn’t happen, he found himself at 22 years old wondering if any of his skills were transferable.

His father had just started Learn It—a revolutionary training company built on a radical idea: corporate learning should feature great storytellers, musicians, and comedians who make people excited to show up. Not three-day Excel classes with thick manuals.

Damon started as a receptionist to prove his value. Thirty years later, as CEO of Learnit, he’s upskilled over 2 million people and learned exactly why some training sticks while most doesn’t.

The difference? Story.

What’s in it for You:

  • The relatable-memorable-emotional formula: How Learn It designs every class with story in mind, starting with hook, building tension, and delivering resolution—ensuring learners see themselves in the content
  • Why “learning without doing is treason”: The accountability mechanisms Learn It builds into training (drip emails, AI habit coaches, executive learning prompts) that transform passive learning into active implementation
  • The narrative transportation secret: How metaphors and analogies create neural coupling where learners see themselves in your stories instead of feeling like outsiders watching generic content
  • The know-it-all vs learn-it-all distinction: Why the best trainers speak UP to their audience (never down), coming from humility and vulnerability instead of trying to prove how smart they are
  • The StoryCycle Genie transformation: How “confidence” emerged as Learn It’s emotional promise, revealing they were product-focused when they thought they were outcome-driven—and how that single word transformed their entire messaging strategy

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Julie Lancaster, leadership coach and author of Beyond Words, founder of Lancaster Leadership

How Effective Leaders Go Beyond Their Words With Stories That Connect and Motivate

You know that feeling when someone says, “Let me tell you a story,” and you immediately start looking for the escape hatch?

Yeah, me too. And apparently, so does Julie Lancaster.

And as leaders, we’ve been told a thousand times that storytelling is the secret sauce to inspiration, connection, and influence. We nod along, bookmark another article, and think, “I should really work on that.” We tell ourselves we don’t have good stories, or we’re not natural storytellers, or our work is just too practical for that kind of thing.

But while you’re creating PowerPoint decks riddled with bullet points and racing through 27-item agendas in 30-minute meetings, you’re creating what I call the “voice vacuum.”

Beyond Words book cover by Julie Lancaster featuring 31 leadership challenges solved through storytellingYou’re talking at people instead of connecting with them. You’re draining their energy instead of inspiring them. And you’re wondering why your teams seem disengaged, why your meetings feel like hostage situations, and why leadership feels so exhausting.

So what if there was a stupidly simple four-step method that could turn any leader—even self-proclaimed storytelling skeptics—into engaging communicators who inspire action, build authentic connections, and actually enjoy the process? That’s exactly what Julie Lancaster delivers in her new book Beyond Words and shares in this powerful conversation.

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Auditors learn how to turn their data and reports into captivating stories revealing the narrative behind the numbers that connect with people and hove them to action

Shagen Ganason Reveals the Five-C Framework That Reveals the Narrative Behind the Numbers

Most auditors walk into the room like prosecutors.

Here’s what you did wrong. Here’s the policy you violated. Here’s what you need to fix.

And they wonder why nobody listens.

I’ve spent 40 years in marketing and storytelling, and I’ll tell you this: the moment you lead with judgment instead of understanding, you’ve lost the room.

Shagen Ganason spent 30 years figuring that out the hard way—across seven countries, countless boardrooms, and organizations spanning every industry you can imagine. He built a global reputation as a meticulous auditor who could spot problems others missed.

But his findings kept hitting the same wall: resistance.

Then a life-changing spinal cord injury forced him into a completely different perspective. Suddenly he couldn’t talk. He had to listen—really listen—to what people don’t say.

That’s when everything shifted.

The emotional narratives behind the numbers. The pressures people were under. The organizational dynamics that created the problems he was finding. The human story underneath the spreadsheets.

Shagen Ganason, author of the Storyteller's Ledger, reveals to listeners of the Business of Story podcast his systemativ approach to audit storytelling providing context to data and numbers through the use of storytelling.He took everything he learned and wrote The Storyteller’s Ledger: Where Hindsight Informs, Insight Connects and Foresight Shapes the Story, giving auditors and analysts a systematic framework for transforming their findings from adversarial confrontations into collaborative partnerships.

Shagen communicates what I preach: “Numbers are numb without story.”

Think about that first syllable. Numb. That’s exactly how people feel when you hit them with spreadsheets and statistics. Defensive. Resistant. Ready to explain why your findings don’t apply to their unique situation.

But wrap those same findings in a story and everything changes.

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Drew McLellan of the Agency Management Institute (AMI) discusses ad agencies and marketing consultants using AI and the StoryCycle Genie.

How the Three Client Mindsets Reveal the Biggest Revenue Opportunity You’re Missing

You know that AI is transforming your agency world, and clients hire you for what goes on between your ears—not just pretty pictures and clever taglines.

But you’re feeling that AI fatigue. Ten new tools launch every single day, and you’re not sure how to wrap your arms around something so slippery.

Therefore, what if I told you the agencies mastering AI transparency today become the indispensable partners clients can’t imagine moving forward without tomorrow?

Welcome to the Business of Story. I’m Park Howell.

Today’s guest is Drew McLellan, CEO of Agency Management Institute, who just dropped groundbreaking research revealing what agency clients really think about AI. And honestly? The findings flipped conventional wisdom on its head.

The Three Mindsets Your Clients Are Living In

How ad agencies need to use AI according to the AMI AMI Agency Edge 2025 report

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Drew’s research revealed three distinct groups among agency clients:

AI Embracers see AI as a way to get deeper, better, faster results from their agencies. Not cheaper. Better. These clients are inviting agencies into R&D teams, sales teams, and customer service—opening massive new revenue streams.

AI Skeptics aren’t dismissing AI. They’re nervous about legal implications and data privacy. They need transparency about how you’re using AI safely. Education and guardrails make them comfortable.

AI Opportunists think they can save money and pull work in-house using ChatGPT. They often need to fail first before understanding the “garbage in, garbage out” reality.

Here’s what shocked me: very few clients think about AI in terms of paying you less.

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Joeri Billast and Park Howell discuss transforming AI marketing strategies and systematic brand storytelling for CMOs on the Business of Story podcast.

Why “AI First” Is Wrong: The Narrative-First Case

Most CMOs Are Amplifying the Wrong Thing With AI in Their Brand Storytelling

Eighteen months.

That’s how long the average CMO lasts before getting fired, replaced, or burning out.

Not because they lack talent.

Because they can’t prove to the CEO and CFO that marketing actually works.

Now add the AI pressure: “We need to be AI-first. Create more content faster. Get it to market faster.”

And I honestly think that’s wrong.

The Universal Challenge Every Modern CMO Faces

You want to leverage AI for marketing efficiency and scale AND prove measurable ROI to secure your boardroom credibility.

But you feel overwhelmed because most “AI-first” approaches amplify noise without a narrative foundation, creating scattered experiments that fail to demonstrate real business value.

Therefore, you can achieve smart visibility and sustained results by implementing a narrative-first approach: establish a clear brand story, then use AI to amplify authentic messaging and measure meaningful KPIs that executives understand.

Meet Joeri: 260 Episodes, One Book, and the CMO Wisdom You Need

Joeri Billast and Park Howell discuss transforming AI marketing strategies and systematic brand storytelling for CMOs on the Business of Story podcast.

Joeri hosts the Web3 CMO Stories podcast with 260 episodes, interviewing marketing leaders about emerging technology and brand strategy.

He was one of my first podcast guests years ago when we met at Social Media Marketing World in San Diego.

Now he’s living in Lisbon, Portugal, where people say “bom dia” on the streets, and the sunshine gives him energy.

He just published “The Future CMO: How Modern CMOs Can Win with Trust, Tech, and Smart Visibility.”

And in April 2025, he’s hosting an AI Marketing Retreat in Sintra, Portugal with Mark Schaefer.

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Joeri Billast and Park Howell discuss transforming AI marketing strategies and systematic brand storytelling for CMOs on the Business of Story podcast.

Why Seeing Your Money as a Story Instead of Spreadsheets Transforms Anxiety Into Confidence

You’ve probably heard me ask this question before: what’s the first syllable in the word “numbers”?

That’s right. “Numb.”

And that’s exactly how most of us feel about our personal finances. Numb. Anxious. Overwhelmed.

You want financial clarity and confidence to make smart decisions about your future.

When you can actually see where your money will be in 30 days or 30 years, you gain the power to own your financial destiny and achieve the life goals that matter most.

But you feel anxious, even overwhelmed, because financial systems are stacked against you.

Education systems never taught you money management basics, and you’re left cobbling together solutions without the visibility you desperately need to make confident choices.

This is exactly where Jason Leong’s journey transforms everything.

Meet Jason Leong: The Artist-Technologist Who Built a Time Machine for Money

Jason Leong is co-founder and CEO of Pocketsmith, personal finance software serving customers in 190 countries from the company’s headquarters in Dunedin, New Zealand—the deep, deep South, as Jason calls it.

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What makes Jason’s approach extraordinary?

He’s not a typical fintech founder obsessed with numbers and algorithms. Jason and his co-founder James, are artists with serious technical chops who spent 17 years building software that transforms financial anxiety into empowered decision-making through something most finance platforms completely miss: storytelling.

He calls PocketSmith “a time machine for your money”—software that lets you pick any day in the future and see exactly how much you’ll have, transforming fiction into achievable fact through 30-year financial forecasting.

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Femi Oke, distinguished international journalist and co-founder of Moderate the Panel, discusses professional moderating techniques on Business of Story with Park Howell

Presentation and Panel Moderating Secrets From an International Journalist and Speaker

She politely stopped a president mid-speech at the United Nations.

His delegation hissed at her from the front row.

He looked thunderous.

But the UN organizers thanked her profusely for saving their climate change panel from complete derailment.

That moment reveals everything about professional communication excellence.

The Universal Challenge Every Presenter Faces

You want your presentations and panels to captivate audiences and create transformative experiences that advance your professional mission, and when you master authentic engagement through preparation and audience-centered delivery, you create events people refuse to leave.

But you feel uncertain and sometimes nervous because you’re making it about yourself instead of serving your audience, creating boring experiences that waste everyone’s time and money while audiences scroll through their phones desperately wishing for something compelling.

Therefore, you can achieve remarkable audience engagement through the professional techniques Femi Oke reveals in today’s episode: preparation that enables authenticity, courage to redirect conversations, strategic story deployment, and relentless focus on audience value over personal performance.

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Mark Schaefer author of How AI Changes Your Customers discussing AI's impact on marketing with Park Howell on Business of Story podcast episode 538

How AI Changes Your Customers: The Marketing Guide to Humanity’s Next Chapter

As a marketing professional, you understand that staying ahead of technological shifts determines your competitive advantage, and mastering how AI is fundamentally reshaping customer behavior matters because your entire marketing strategy depends on understanding decision-making processes.

But you feel uncertain because AI’s evolution is happening faster than anyone can predict or prepare for, leaving you wondering whether your current approach will even be relevant in twelve months.

Therefore you can gain strategic clarity about marketing’s AI-transformed future through Mark Schaefer’s latest research with 300 global futurists who reached a remarkable consensus on how AI will change humanity by 2035, revealing the specific strategies that will separate thriving brands from those left behind.

Meet Mark Schaefer

Mark Schaefer is a globally recognized keynote speaker, futurist, business consultant, and author of twelve books, including Marketing RebellionKNOWN, and Belonging to the Brand.

Mark Schaefer author of How AI Changes Your Customers discussing AI's impact on marketing with Park Howell on Business of Story podcast episode 538His newest release, How AI Changes Your Customers: The Marketing Guide to Humanity’s Next Chapter, synthesizes groundbreaking research from 300 global futurists to reveal how artificial intelligence is fundamentally rewiring human psychology and customer behavior.

Mark’s work has been featured in The New York TimesThe Wall Street Journal, and Wired magazine.

He teaches graduate marketing courses at Rutgers University and helps organizations worldwide navigate the intersection of technology, marketing, and human connection.

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