Master the Primal Art of Business Storytelling

The Business of Story Podcast With Park Howell

Transform Your Business Through Proven Narrative Mastery

Every marketing director, business owner, and sales professional understands that the right story can transform how customers respond to their message.

What matters most is mastering the vital storytelling structures that have driven human engagement for millennia, especially when your business success depends on authentic connection with your audience.

But here’s the frustrating reality most professionals face: conventional brand storytelling advice offers generic tips and surface-level techniques instead of the primal storytelling principles that actually create lasting impact.

This happens because most business storytelling approaches focus on modern tactics without understanding the sacred narrative structures that have influenced human behavior for thousands of years.

That’s exactly where The Business of Story podcast transforms your approach to business communication.

Through Park Howell’s proprietary guidance, you gain access to primal storytelling amplified with cutting-edge technology, enabling you to excel through the stories you tell while accelerating your Return on Intelligence through remarkable storytelling mastery.

Your Guide to Storytelling Excellence

Park Howell brings over two decades of proven expertise in marketing storytelling, combining primal narrative wisdom with modern precision.

As the creator of the revolutionary Story Cycle System™, which has grown brands by 600 percent, propogator of the ABT (And, But, Therefore) narrative framework, and co-creator of the StoryCycle Genie™, Park has pioneered “Vibe Branding”.

Vibe Branding combines emotional intelligence with artificial intelligence, guided by proven storytelling structures, to accelerate ROI: Your Return on Intelligence.

His sacred mission: help you excel through the stories you tell, delivering measurable results through systematic application of primal storytelling principles.


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Joeri Billast and Park Howell discuss transforming AI marketing strategies and systematic brand storytelling for CMOs on the Business of Story podcast.

Why Seeing Your Money as a Story Instead of Spreadsheets Transforms Anxiety Into Confidence

You’ve probably heard me ask this question before: what’s the first syllable in the word “numbers”?

That’s right. “Numb.”

And that’s exactly how most of us feel about our personal finances. Numb. Anxious. Overwhelmed.

You want financial clarity and confidence to make smart decisions about your future.

When you can actually see where your money will be in 30 days or 30 years, you gain the power to own your financial destiny and achieve the life goals that matter most.

But you feel anxious, even overwhelmed, because financial systems are stacked against you.

Education systems never taught you money management basics, and you’re left cobbling together solutions without the visibility you desperately need to make confident choices.

This is exactly where Jason Leong’s journey transforms everything.

Meet Jason Leong: The Artist-Technologist Who Built a Time Machine for Money

Jason Leong is co-founder and CEO of Pocketsmith, personal finance software serving customers in 190 countries from the company’s headquarters in Dunedin, New Zealand—the deep, deep South, as Jason calls it.

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What makes Jason’s approach extraordinary?

He’s not a typical fintech founder obsessed with numbers and algorithms. Jason and his co-founder James, are artists with serious technical chops who spent 17 years building software that transforms financial anxiety into empowered decision-making through something most finance platforms completely miss: storytelling.

He calls PocketSmith “a time machine for your money”—software that lets you pick any day in the future and see exactly how much you’ll have, transforming fiction into achievable fact through 30-year financial forecasting.

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Femi Oke, distinguished international journalist and co-founder of Moderate the Panel, discusses professional moderating techniques on Business of Story with Park Howell

Presentation and Panel Moderating Secrets From an International Journalist and Speaker

She politely stopped a president mid-speech at the United Nations.

His delegation hissed at her from the front row.

He looked thunderous.

But the UN organizers thanked her profusely for saving their climate change panel from complete derailment.

That moment reveals everything about professional communication excellence.

The Universal Challenge Every Presenter Faces

You want your presentations and panels to captivate audiences and create transformative experiences that advance your professional mission, and when you master authentic engagement through preparation and audience-centered delivery, you create events people refuse to leave.

But you feel uncertain and sometimes nervous because you’re making it about yourself instead of serving your audience, creating boring experiences that waste everyone’s time and money while audiences scroll through their phones desperately wishing for something compelling.

Therefore, you can achieve remarkable audience engagement through the professional techniques Femi Oke reveals in today’s episode: preparation that enables authenticity, courage to redirect conversations, strategic story deployment, and relentless focus on audience value over personal performance.

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Mark Schaefer author of How AI Changes Your Customers discussing AI's impact on marketing with Park Howell on Business of Story podcast episode 538

How AI Changes Your Customers: The Marketing Guide to Humanity’s Next Chapter

As a marketing professional, you understand that staying ahead of technological shifts determines your competitive advantage, and mastering how AI is fundamentally reshaping customer behavior matters because your entire marketing strategy depends on understanding decision-making processes.

But you feel uncertain because AI’s evolution is happening faster than anyone can predict or prepare for, leaving you wondering whether your current approach will even be relevant in twelve months.

Therefore you can gain strategic clarity about marketing’s AI-transformed future through Mark Schaefer’s latest research with 300 global futurists who reached a remarkable consensus on how AI will change humanity by 2035, revealing the specific strategies that will separate thriving brands from those left behind.

Meet Mark Schaefer

Mark Schaefer is a globally recognized keynote speaker, futurist, business consultant, and author of twelve books, including Marketing RebellionKNOWN, and Belonging to the Brand.

Mark Schaefer author of How AI Changes Your Customers discussing AI's impact on marketing with Park Howell on Business of Story podcast episode 538His newest release, How AI Changes Your Customers: The Marketing Guide to Humanity’s Next Chapter, synthesizes groundbreaking research from 300 global futurists to reveal how artificial intelligence is fundamentally rewiring human psychology and customer behavior.

Mark’s work has been featured in The New York TimesThe Wall Street Journal, and Wired magazine.

He teaches graduate marketing courses at Rutgers University and helps organizations worldwide navigate the intersection of technology, marketing, and human connection.

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Brand storytelling using Hollywood genres in marketing campaigns

Discover the 27-genre Framework That Transforms Brand Indifference Into Blockbuster Appeal

As a marketing leader responsible for brand differentiation in a crowded market, you want your brand story to drive measurable business results and if you’re using the right genre of story that your audience can relate to, then you will create tremendous appeal for your offering.

But you feel frustrated because most brands tell the story they want to tell instead of the story their audience wants to hear, leaving tons of revenue on the table while competitors who understand genre thinking capture market share.

Now you can achieve breakthrough brand transformation through the Hollywood 27 Genres framework and enemy-superpower thinking that Greg Logan reveals in today’s episode.

That disconnect between your story and their genre?

It’s costing you customers.

Big time.

I’ve watched brilliant brands struggle for decades because they focus on what they do instead of the emotional genre their customers are actually living in. They craft beautiful mission statements while their audience craves a completely different narrative pattern.

And the competitors who figure this out? They capture market share with what looks like magic but is actually systematic genre alignment.

Meet Greg Logan: The Brand Storytelling Expert Who Cracked Hollywood’s Code

hollywood-brand-storytelling-genresGreg Logan is the author of Creating a Blockbuster Brand and founder of Narrativity, where he helps companies like Google and Adobe tell stories that actually work.

What makes Greg extraordinary?

He’s combined two careers – branding and advertising with entertainment – to decode the exact formulas Hollywood uses to hook us emotionally. Then he translates those formulas into brand storytelling that drives real business results.

His approach demonstrates what I call the marriage of classical storytelling wisdom with modern technological precision. The genres that have captivated audiences for millennia now serve your brand strategy.

And his new book, Creating a Blockbuster Brand? It’s the systematic guide to implementing these blockbuster formulas in your business.

Greg’s worked with some of the world’s most recognized brands. The results speak for themselves.

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Why Most Branded Podcasts Fail: The JAR Framework That Fixes Everything

Most Branded Podcasts Are What Jen Moss Calls “Ramblecasts”

You know the type.

Hosts talking about interesting things without any clear value proposition.

No focus. No strategy. No measurable results.

Just expensive audio that nobody listens to past episode three.

Over my 10-year career in podcasting, I’ve seen this pattern repeat endlessly. Brands throw money at podcasting because everyone says they should. Then they wonder why it doesn’t work.

The problem isn’t the medium.

Podcasting creates unprecedented access to your audience’s attention. Literally positioning your brand between their ears during commutes, workouts, and daily routines.

The problem is that most brands fundamentally misunderstand what makes podcasting work.

They treat it like another broadcast channel for corporate messaging instead of recognizing it as an intimate conversation requiring genuine value exchange.

Meet Jen Moss: The Anti-Ramblecast Crusader

Jen Moss is Co-Founder and Chief Creative Officer of JAR Podcast Solutions.

She’s worked with Amazon, lululemon, Cirque du Soleil, Wharton, and Deloitte.

Before that, she spent decades mastering audio storytelling at CBC, learning from broadcasting legends like Dick Miller, Yvonne Gall, Anne Penman, and Sheila Rogers.

These are people who know how to hold audience attention over time.

Now Jen teaches creative writing for podcasting at the University of British Columbia. She thinks deeply about the relationship between story and form.

And she’s developed a framework that transforms branded podcasts from expensive experiments into strategic business assets.

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Why Agency Owners Are Burning Out (And How AI Automation Fixes It)

Agency burnout is killing the creative industry. Here’s what stinks: brilliant agency leaders are working 80-hour weeks, losing employees every 18 months, and sacrificing their personal lives for client service.

Over my 40-year career in business storytelling, I’ve watched talented agency owners grind themselves into the ground. They’re drowning in manual processes, hemorrhaging institutional knowledge, and convinced that working harder is the only path to excellence.

BUT there’s a breakthrough that changes everything: AI automation that actually works.

Meet Alane Boyd: The Agency Automation Expert Who Solved Employee Retention

Alane Boyd is a serial entrepreneur and workflow automation expert with almost two decades of tech experience. As Co-CEO of Biggest Goal, she focuses on AI and automation to streamline company processes and increase bottom-line results.

Her credentials speak volumes:

  • Three-time published author
  • Recognized as Top Leader under 40
  • Finalist for Top Companies to Watch in 2021
  • Tools voted Best for Remote Work in 2022
  • Featured on SXSW, HuffPost, and Entrepreneur

But here’s what makes her approach revolutionary: when Alane built her 125-employee agency, her average employee tenure was seven years. Industry average? Eighteen months.

The AI Agent Revolution: Beyond Manual Automation

Most agencies are doing AI wrong. They’re using ChatGPT manually, creating AI fatigue, and getting inconsistent results.

Alane’s solution? AI agents that integrate seamlessly into existing workflows.

Here’s how it works: Move a deal to “proposal stage” in your CRM, and the AI agent automatically creates a customized proposal using your templates, call notes, and company voice. No manual prompting. No AI fatigue. No inconsistent results.

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The Story Engine Founder Reveals His 3-Story Framework for Magnetizing Ideal Clients

How Experts Who Are “Too Smart for Their Own Good” Transform Scattered Content Into Systematic Business Growth

You’ve probably spent countless hours creating valuable content, sharing your expertise, and teaching everything you know.

Maybe you’re even getting some engagement and positive feedback.

But if you’re honest, you’re also dealing with low conversion rates, audiences who don’t take action, and the frustrating feeling that your brilliant insights aren’t translating into the business results you deserve.

Here’s what Kyle Gray discovered that changes everything: Most expert content fails because it’s knowledge without connection. Expertise without emotional resonance. Brilliant insights without the story structure to make them stick.

Kyle calls this the expert’s blind spot: “We as entrepreneurs relate to ourselves wrong. What we think is our curse is actually something that sets us apart in the marketplace.”

Today’s episode demonstrates how the stories hiding in plain sight – especially the ones you might not want to tell – become your most powerful tools for magnetizing ideal clients and driving systematic business growth.

Your expertise combined with strategic storytelling is what generates the most important transformation of all: turning your knowledge into magnetic authority that attracts premium clients who are excited to work with you.

The Story Engine Expert Who Gets Results

Kyle Gray is a world-class presentation coach, story strategist and author who helps coaches, startups and executives use storytelling to better communicate their unique value and improve sales with their audience. He combines timeless storytelling with cutting-edge marketing to ensure you have the right story to tell while presenting, on a sales call or in conversation, both online and offline.

As host of “The Story Engine Podcast” and founder of Story Engine, Kyle works directly with experts who struggle to convert their knowledge into compelling presentations that drive business results.

What makes Kyle different?

He’s not teaching you generic storytelling techniques.

He’s showing you how to uncover the specific stories that are already hiding in your experience – the ones that will magnetize your exact ideal clients and transform your presentations from information dumps into conversion engines.

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The Chief Sales Energizer Reveals Her 3-Step Framework for Strategic AI Implementation

How EI + AI = Your Return on Intelligence to Accelerate Your Sales

The Brutal Truth About Your Sales AI Investment

You’ve probably invested thousands in AI sales tools, hoping they’d transform your results. Maybe you’re even seeing some improvement.

But if you’re honest, you’re also dealing with more complexity, frustrated team members, and the nagging feeling that you’re missing something fundamental.

Here’s what Alice Heiman discovered that changes everything: Most AI sales implementations fail because they’re “random acts of AI.” Technology without strategy, tools without foundation, artificial intelligence without the emotional intelligence to guide it effectively.

I introduced you to the concept of EI + AI = ROI: Your Return on Intelligence, a couple of weeks ago in my conversation with Dr. Robin Hills, on episode #529.

Today’s show demonstrates its effectiveness in sales through Alice’s three-step approach that starts with the CEO investing their business intuition coupled with real-world customer insights, amplified by technology.

But the human sales strategy must come before the AI activation.

Your sales acumen combined with artificial intelligence is what generates the most important ROI of all: Your Return on Intelligence. It’s that return that drives typical ROI, or return on investment.

Meet Alice Heiman: The Chief Sales Energizer Who Gets Results

Alice Heiman has spent her career elevating sales performance to increase company valuation for B2B organizations with exceptional growth potential.

As host of “Sales Talk for CEOs” with over 150 episodes and a teacher at the University of Nevada’s entrepreneurship program, Alice works directly with CEOs and sales leadership to build strategies that find new business and grow existing accounts.

What makes Alice different?

She’s not selling you another AI tool.

She’s showing you how to think strategically about the tools you already have, and the ones you’re considering.

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Laura Ries Reveals the Strategic Enemy Framework That’s Transforming How Brand Leaders Own Their Market Position

Discover how her revolutionary brand positioning approach combines classical competitive strategy with modern market precision to transform struggling brands into category leaders

As a business leader, you understand that strong positioning drives sustainable competitive advantage AND you’re committed to building market leadership that creates lasting differentiation because your business success depends on owning something meaningful in your customers’ minds. What drives you is proven strategic principles enhanced by modern market precision.

But here’s what’s frustrating: most companies get trapped in the mushy middle, trying to be everything to everyone because they lack the courage to define what they stand against.

This creates commodity positioning and prevents the focused differentiation that builds category leadership.

Most positioning approaches offer generic statements without the strategic enemy clarity that makes brands memorable.

Today’s conversation with Laura Ries reveals the Strategic Enemy Framework that transforms competitive struggles into category ownership.

Positioning Royalty and Strategic Enemy Pioneer

Laura Ries is Chairwoman of global consulting firm Ries and bestselling author of THE STRATEGIC ENEMY (Wiley, September 16, 2025).

She has led Riess for more than 30 years, traveling to over 60 countries to consult with clients and continuing the legacy of her late father Al Ries, the positioning pioneer and co-author of Positioning: The Battle for Your Mind.

What makes Laura extraordinary is her systematic approach to identifying strategic enemies that transforms generic positioning into powerful market differentiation.

Laura’s work demonstrates classical positioning principles enhanced by strategic enemy innovation, creating category ownership for business leaders worldwide. Her approach to competitive strategy exemplifies the marriage of timeless

positioning wisdom with contemporary market precision that defines true strategic mastery.

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The CMO+ Framework That’s Liberating Small Business Owners from the Vendor Vortex

Discover how an unchained marketing strategy combines classical business wisdom with AI-enhanced execution to transform small businesses from vendor-dependent to marketing-independent in today’s evolving landscape

As a small business owner or marketing leader, you understand that effective marketing drives sustainable growth AND you’re committed to building marketing systems that truly serve your business because authentic control over your marketing destiny matters deeply.

What drives you is the classical wisdom that strategy must precede tactics, enhanced by modern AI precision that elevates human capability.

BUT here’s what’s frustrating: most small businesses dive straight into marketing tactics without strategic foundation because they’ve been told that’s what drives immediate results.

This creates the dreaded “vendor vortex” where businesses lose control of their most valuable marketing assets and prevents true marketing ownership.

Most approaches either promise quick tactical wins without strategic foundation OR deliver complex strategies without practical AI-enhanced execution.

Today’s conversation with Sara Nay reveals the revolutionary CMO+ framework that transforms marketing dependency into marketing ownership.

You’ll discover how her unchained approach combines classical strategic wisdom with modern AI integration to create measurable business transformation. This is classical marketing strategy enhanced by intelligent automation in action.

Meet Sara Nay: CEO, Author, and Marketing Liberation Expert

Sara Nay is CEO of Duct Tape Marketing and author of Unchained: Breaking Free of Broken Marketing Models.

She has guided thousands of small business owners and fractional CMOs since 2010, transforming tactical marketing chaos into strategic business assets. What makes Sara extraordinary is her unchained philosophy that empowers businesses to own their marketing destiny rather than rent it from vendors.

Sara’s work demonstrates classical strategic foundations enhanced by AI innovation, creating sustainable marketing independence for business owners across industries. Her approach to marketing ownership exemplifies the marriage of timeless business wisdom with contemporary AI precision that defines true marketing mastery in today’s landscape.

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